Gary, I appreciate your help. I don't think it's in the users guide but thanks for posting. I am trying to assign the steeper to change wave tables In one of the LFO. I know this is another topic. Thanks, Alan

Hello Gary, thanks for your reply. I use it inside Logic 8. Here's what I've noticed about massive: It isn't built to respond to cc input meaning that if you want to feedback to a condition for a midi note range to do certain things it doesn't. It just does mechanical things. This is not like in Reaktor where you can filter according to a range of note numbers. This may be possible using the Massive language to write a program but what it does is feedback an audio signal through the inserts back into the LFOs. What is possible; is to use what Steve designed in his TNT I believe; using a few Massive instances controlled by an instrument object with a delay object and a transpose object. I will look around for a book on Massive programming. Thanks, Alan

Hello, I'm going through the Massive users guide in order to learn Massive. I was wondering if anyone else is studying this synth. If you look at the different predefined settings it looks like a lot of engineering went into this. By, reverse engineering these settings it's possible to figure out how they did it. I'm thinking of a Harp sound named "Harpolodic". I notice a lot of micro routings in yellow - the ones in the upper left hand corner. These are for the use with an external keyboard controller. I'm interested in a resource on the making of these presets specifically a book. If anyone else is working on there skill of making they're own presets I would be interested in what there doing or what there approach is.

Hello, I found the answer for the Macros in Massive. What the user is to suppose to do is write in the Macro Control the name the knob is to control. However, they are to control according to the scheme. Below explains what it's about. The exact assignments for each preset will vary, but in general they conform to the following pattern. Note that you can assign these knobs to control whatever parameters you want; the descriptions below reflect only the typical settings of the presets in the MASSIVE sound library. 1. MacroKnobs1and2:Oscillator.Settings related to the oscillator section are generally assigned to these first two knobs. Examples: WT-position, Intensity, Pitch (for chords etc.) 2 Macro Knobs 3 and 4: Spectrum. This column usually controls settings related to the frequency domain, i.e. anything that changes the sound i.e. spectrum. Examples: Filter Cutoff, Phase distortion level 3. Macro Knobs 5 and 6: FX. Effect-related settings are typically assigned to knobs 5 and 6. The dry/wet parameters of active effects are often assigned to Control knob 5. The other Control knob may be assigned to other effect parameters such as effect time, feedback, and so on. 4. Macro Knobs 7 and 8: Motion/Time. Knobs 7 and 8 are related to the time domain, i.e. anything that changes the sound in time. Parameters such as modulation speed and intensity or the L FO or Stepper Rate may be assigned here. Examples: Rate/Amp of LFO/Env/Stepper/Performer, Morph speed, Envelope amount. This was taken from the Massive Reference: Section 4:9 Page 83. I suppose it's alright to post this but it may be a good idea for me to check with Native Instruments. I'm unable to delete the post but I wanted to leave it up here in case anyone else doesn't know this information.

Gary, thanks! I'm glad it's helpful. I asked Native Instruments to make sure it would be alright to quote the users guide and they said that's okay. What I find interesting is in some of these sounds a lot of assignments are made to make a sound what the sound is. Reverse engineering this would take a lot of time but in order to grasp what the sound designers did that's seems to be what it would take. I am interested to hear what others use as an approach to studying these sounds.

I think your right. The more you work with it the better and deeper it gets. What I'm wondering about is the four keyboard macros on the left. I notice that they do appear in the assignments so they must be doing something besides just sending a controller message.

Hello, I am learning Reaktor Structure meaning diving into the Modules and Macros, Core Cells and Reaktor Structure section of the reference guides. I have run across a couple of things; one is that classic synth structure documentation is left out because these are designed by a third party and are built on the building blocks given in the Modules reference. The other thing is that the "Modules and Macros reference doesn't have a Macro section but Macros are include in the Core Cells Section. As I study this I try to, lets say, design along with the references. But, my tendency is to try to understand everything in the structure so I want to attain as much documentation as available. If anyone else is doing the same I hope you post on here. The other thing I noticed is that some synths such as Reaktor Prism doesn't seem to work with other instruments but seems to need to have full control of the output section. Also, for my setup the Prism structure isn't in a box but it's inside the box like after it's opened. Thanks, Alan

Hello brain, yes I did study it some but I ran out of time because I spent to much time on Massive and Kontakt. I did a week subscription through my iPhone. But, it's good to meet you through the forum. I like your tutorial but I wish it did more from what I could see. Let me explain below. I look at the Macro/empty but I can't find any documentation on that. I read on another forum that macros are not in the "Modules and Macros" reference but Macros are covered in the other one "Core Cells". Here's the thing: When it comes to the classic synths (sequencers) such as the "Blue Matrix" or Blue Matrix seq", which show up differently in the structure,I didn't think there was any documentation at first. Then I started thinking; the design is the property of the designer so there wouldn't be any. Then, I looked at the structure of "Blue Matrix" and I noticed none of those are available to the user but if you go deeper in to all those pages you finally get down to the components that are. Needless to say, if I was to go into the Blue Matrix it could take weeks for me to build that for practice. My idea was to get some synth control into it so the sequencer is driven by a midi in rather than play it self. I have some electronics background so it's not difficult for me to understand what's going on but making it work can be more difficult unless I have studied a great deal of it already. The real question is the "Prism" not being useable with other synths. What I did was paste it into an empty macro. I'm thinking that the player synths shouldn't be inside macros or core cells. This is what I want to know about certain synths. I'm just looking for a straight understanding on these synths. I plan to study the references more to see if I can get a better understanding. It's not that I don't want to read them it's that it's necessary that I apply them to an instance of Reaktor at the same time. I will take out another subscription just to do your Reaktor tutorial. I think the understand it gives will really help and if you like I will post back to tell you my thoughts. I think you cover a lot. Thanks Brain! It's great to hear from the voice on the tutorial. Best, Alan Warrick

Brain, thanks for posting and giving me those links. Alan

Hello, using the ensemble One Osc inside a core cell I notice that the adsr envelope doesn't really have a signal going into it. I checked to see if this had a wireless input but the gate is for changing a signal from low to high so I don't see any audio going into this. I would be interested in knowing what I'm not seeing in this cell. Thanks, Alan Warrick