We could hang it around our necks, like jewelry. It might start a new trend! Let's see if the idea catches on at the New York and LA user groups :) What do you think? Beder

The book, Advanced Logic Pro 7, by David Dvorin, has a great chapter called Working with Notation. You work along with supplied files from a CD. It's enough to really get you up and running working with the notation/score side of Logic. Now, David Dvorin has written the Apple Pro Training Series: Logic Pro 8 Beyond the Basics, It should be released in early November. Since you've upgraded to Logic 8 you might want to wait for that one. Here's a link. The description mentions notation and I would imagine he would do at least what he did in the Logic 7 version. I don't know if much has changed in Logic 8: www.peachpit.com/store/product.aspx?isbn=9780321502889 Also, if you really need more advanced notation training Johannes Prischle has written the Bible of Logic Notation, in my opinion. I've had his Logic Notation Guide for many years and I refer to it often. It's great. You can really learn to score complex music to print out. He gives you files to work on as you study along with the guide. See: http://prischl.net/LNG/index.html Also, Johannes has always emailed me back when I've had questions and needed support. And...if Steve did do a specific tutorial on notation/scoring I'd consider buying it because it's always helpful to see what other people are doing and how they do it in Logic. But for me I would buy it if it got into some useful advanced applications. Good luck! Beder

Thanks, Steve, for your thoughtful explanation of Logic's Score editor. Of course, you are right. >The key to producing a good "looking" score is to forget how it sounds.< Music is an incredible language that is quite vast. The interpretation of musical scores by musicians, at any level, is a vast subject. But the notation of music is a time honored science. For years I've saved a separate version of my compositions to score. I've scored sporadically over the years, taking much time and study because I don't do it that often. I would need an advanced training that includes complex piano scores and orchestral type formats. I just want to get better at scoring anything I write. It would be very cool to have someone, like you, to streamline the steps for me visually. But the difficulty for you, as the trainer, can be to produce a tutorial that will answer the needs of such a wide variety of users. Many don't know how to read music very well while others are classically trained and desire training with very complex scoring. I'm hoping if you decide to do an extensive tutorial that you will cover the advanced aspects. I have tremendous confidence in your abilities to streamline the approach for anyone, as you are a natural teacher :) Thank you for all your efforts. They are much appreciated. Beder

Hi, Franky! As for Soundtrack tutorials, Martin has produced Soundtrack Pro 101 - Mastering Soundtrack Pro 2 - check it out at www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/soundtrackPro2. He also created the Apple Pro Training Series: Soundtrack Pro 2 - see this at www.peachpit.com/store/product.aspx?isbn=9780321502667. I'm thinking of getting both! Beder

Someone had suggested a tutorial on Buses and Auxes awhile back. That might be a cool one. http://www.macprovideo.com/forum/logic/tips-n-tricks&id=4453 But I would appreciate any tutorials on learning how to get the best mix in Logic. Thanks! Beder

Hi, I'm studying Martin's Mastering Logic 8: #90. I'm trying to recreate steps he outlined to convert an Apple Loop to a new audio file so I can edit the loop. This is an 8-bar loop. I went to Audio - Convert Regions to New Audio Files and got the dialog box. Martin said to change the File Format to anything other than AIFF or CAF, as these are use for Apple Loops. He had selected a wave format in the example. However, when I select Wave and save I get an error message: Not converting selected Apple Loop files. Apple Loops can only be converted to filetype AIFF. OK. So, I go back and save as an AIFF file and leave all other settings alone. But I notice that the size of the file will now be 3.6 MB, where it was 1.2 MB as an Apple Loop. Is that typical? But after I save everytime the resulting file is longer than 8 bars and the key of the sample has changed. Is Logic time stretching the new sample to put it in the same tempo? What am I doing wrong? Perhaps Martin had performed an additional step in a previous tutorial chapter. How can I convert this Apple Loop and keep the same file length and Tempo? Thanks for any help. Beder

Thanks for your replies! But I wonder why it didn't work as in the tutorial. When Martin did it, it worked - #90, Reversing Audio Files. Any thoughts? Beder

Hi, Does any one out their have a clue about what is wrong here? I'm in Logic 8 trying to notate a very simple child's piece and add Lyrics. I inputted the notes via the Step Input Keyboard. Normally, when you drag over "Lyric," from the Part Box and click under the note to start, you then just type the word and press the Tab key for the next word. 95% of the time after pressing Tab it jumps 4 bars over to a Channel 2 (in Staff Styles) note. Later, I got it to work so I could press the Tab key to type the next lyric but they are all out of alignment with the notes. The Lyrics are supposed to snap into alignment with the note by using the Tab key. But since I got it to work somewhat I started adjusting the alignment of each word in the Lyrics, with the Horizontal Position, in the parameter box. Trouble is this is moving the notes around so much that the graphic representation of the rhythm is weird - half notes look too short in space. This is not working too well. Anyone have an idea of any other factor I'm missing? I'm on a deadline with this little project. Thanks. Beder

Thanks, Steve. That did help. I did create a new single staff style and inputted lyrics. But they still were a bit off to the left, not snapping with the note, with Tab, as I remember doing in the past. But I selected all and moved the horizontal & vertical spacing around until it looked right. Half notes should still be a bit wider. After doing this my channel settings were still there. When I added a repeat sign, at the start of measure 5, it created a double line (single width lines) at the end of measure 4. I can't seem to get it to change to a single bar, even after dragging that symbol to that measure 4 end. I've run into this before. When I delete that repeat sign, at the start of measure 5 I'm stuck with a single bar in that measure now. It's like there is an extra line that Logic is pushing out of the beginning of measure 5 to the end of measure 4 when I add the repeat sign at the start of measure 5. Steve, the repeat signs don't seem to show up as meta events in the Event list, unless something is not enabled properly. Are they visible anywhere to be deleted easily? Is there any way to change that double-line at the end of measure 4 to a single line, before the repeat sign? I couldn't find a way to send the pix. Is there a way on this Forum? Hope you can figure out what I'm talking about without them. Thanks, for your thoughts, Steve. Beder

OK. I figured it out, which often happens after I send a post. I had to try everything, with gobs of time, until I got what was acceptable. I changed the layout of the measures on the staff from 4 to 3, then substituted the double repeat sign (repeats back to back) in that troublesome spot. Then when I replaced that double repeat sign with the single line it took it and reset things to normal. Ultimately I had to put this small child's piano piece into 2 measures per staff to make the half notes look right and have the music fill the page. I have large, complicated piano music that I'll be wanting to notate in Logic 8. I guess I'll have to really put it to the test. I wonder if you are working on the Score Tutorial...Du, Du, Du, Duh! I think you are the one to do it. It may be challenging though to do an advanced version. But I think you could do it well, like everything I've seen you do so far. I'd still like to know if there is a way to upload pix to this forum, or if there will be in the future. Thanks for your help, Steve. Beder